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SHOT Show 2016: The Kimber K6s Revolver

There has been a lot of questions on this somewhat of a surprise new product. I have to admit, being a revolver fan, I was excited about it myself. Not too many new revolvers, especially from a non-revolver company.

The K6s was not a disappointment. It is a cross between the Ruger SP-101 with its beefiness and a S&W ™ J-frame magnum or more specifically the  640 Pro ™ with its sights and moon clips. The price reflects this (the other product has an MSRP of $839).

The trigger was very good (keep in mind stock pistol) – Smooth pull that is not too long. The initial pull stacks a little but I suspect that it is on purpose. The grips were decent – they had both rubber and wood although the wood is not in the catalog. These were pre-production guns as noted by the wood grips that were stamped “SHOT Show 2016” and their SN’s.

Some things I noticed: They rotate counter clockwise and the back-strap is serrated. It’s cut for moon clips. Overall it is very well done. I can’t wait to see what other models they come out with (with moon clips hopefully semi-auto round chamberings are next).

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Check out the SN and the SHOT Show grips:

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So, a bunch of us were waiting patiently in line to look at, what appeared to be, the only K6s in the booth.
After viewing it, leaving, we all noticed that there was a stack of them on display a few feet away. LOL

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Here are pics of the K6s brochure. I include it  here because I know that not everyone has seen it yet, and it also contains all the details:

k6-1 k6-2 k6-3 k6-4 k6-5 k6-6

Revolver (S&W & Ruger) Cylinder Widths

Just compiling data that I have randomly on sheets of paper all around :)

J frame ——————- 1.3125″
J frame magnum —— 1.34″
SP101 ——————— 1.35″
K frame ——————- 1.455″
GP100 ——————— 1.557″
L frame ——————- 1.562″
N frame ——————- 1.712″
Redhawk ——————- 1.78″
X frame ——————- 1.92″

X frame widths courtesy:
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/288271-x-frame-cylinder-width.html

measured 7 guns, all fluted cylinders
ejector —-crane
end ——–end —-gun
1.921 —–1.921—460 12″
1.924 —–1.925—460 10 1/2″
1.925 —–1.926—460 8 3/8″
1.920 —–1.920—460 5″
1.920 —–1.920—460 ES
1.923 —–1.923—500 5″ JR
1.920 —–1.920—500 5″ JR

GP100 and Redhawk courtesy of http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1980-present/291958-gp100-cylinder-overall-vs-k-l.html#post136963544 which pointed me here: http://rugerforum.net/ruger-double-action/17967-cylinder-diameter-sp-gp-six-series.html which in turn points you here: http://=http//www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=491314]I%20Gotta%20Tall%20Request%20-%20THR

5 stitch belt vs thick leather belt vs heavy pistol, part II

Previously, I had blogged that I didn’t think that my Wilderness 5-stitch belt was as good balancing the weight of a heavy pistol as a heavy-duty leather belt. I few people questioned that statement pointing out that they regularly carry a 1911 with one. I don’t doubt that, in fact I have also, so I decided to do a followup test.

The setup:
S&W 1066 10mm pistol (39.5oz unloaded)
Crossbreed IWB holster (actually for an M&P)
With and without a loaded spare mag in a Galco OWB mag pouch
Jeans
Wilderness 5-stitch vs Galco SB2 belt (both 1.5″ width)

The scenarios:
Walking the dog along trails, not heavy trekking but up and down hills quite a bit
Driving

I started with Wilderness because that is what I was wearing. The weight of the pistol quickly was noticeable. Within 10 mins my back began to hurt. I took the spare mag off and moved it to my jacket. It was marginally better. Not something I want to try again purposefully.

The next day I switched to the Galco belt and did the same trek. Much more comfortable. I was able to do the entire trek (about an hour) before feeling back pain. I did not have to remove the spare mag. However, again not my favorite carry method – far from comfortable.

Now the driving test was pretty much a wash. They both were comfortable (as much as driving with an IWB holster can be) up until they weren’t. I didn’t particularly like either after about 1/2 hour. I can’t imagine having to draw IWB while seated in a car but it was a convenient comfort test.

I have not yet gotten a reinforced Wilderness Belt but I suspect that would fare much better. Again the 1066 is a pretty heavy pistol so your mileage may vary, but I think an all steel pistol is better served comfort-wise with a good thick leather belt. However, I don’t hesitate carrying a Glock or M&P on the Wilderness.

Anyway, I stand by my initial evaluation.

Rethinking the single stack for travelling to mag restricted states

Well, it is time again to travel to California and I will be darned that I will not travel legally armed through my first two states because I cannot in the third (California).

Traditionally, what I have done is–before the border I disarm–unload, lock my firearm up in a lock box separately from the ammo which is then locked in the trunk.

There is much debate on possession of “high capacity” (meaning >10) magazines vs import into CA (the latter of which is illegal). This is now kind of moot, however–researching CA penal code shows that they have recently revised (or reorganized) the PC so that “high capacity” magazines are now considered a “public nuisance” and as such are subject to confiscation!

The easiest option it to buy ban compliant (10 round) magazines. Well, that quite frankly just seems wrong. In fact, it made me order a couple extra “high capacity” (in CA) mags. Not for CA that is.

So, it made me think…I have a few single stacks that fit the bill! I may get some flack but I think that a 5″ 1911 is uncomfortable for driving long periods of time, however a Commander length is perfect.

I am actually thinking of traveling with my S&W 1066. Why? Mainly because it is awesome and for some reason I don’t have a holster for it (I do for my 1006). In case you didn’t know I am a big 10mm fan. I happen to have an unused Galco Miami Classic II holster which I just ordered a High Noon Holster body for. I will let you know how it works out (driving that is).

My backup choice if that doesn’t work is a Glock 27 in a paddle holster. The sub-compacts just seem strange in a should rig. Close second was my P220, but I haven’t had any range time with it in years. But, it would be nice in a should rig due to its lighter weight.

Answer: What happened to the AmeriGlo M&P taller suppressor sights?

It is all over the internet that AmeriGlo would have taller sights for suppressed M&Ps out this year (rumored release was this past January). Well, I couldn’t find them on their website, so I emailed them.

Turns out that they are still coming and anticipated for release in the Fall. Although delayed this is still good news. Lots of M&Ps out there, and lots of threaded barrel options, including a couple from S&W themselves.

The Story Behind the S&W (registered trademark) M&P (registered trademark) “SpecOps” threaded barrel 9mm

Here is an interesting tid-bit of information about the short run of S&W (registered trademark) M&P (registered trademark) “SpecOps” pistols most noted for its billboard size “SpecOps” marking and factory 13.5x1LH threaded barrel.

It comes from here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/315295_.html

from an insider from GemTech:

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Originally Posted By MrGreg:
I’ve heard it has trouble indexing on some cans because the shoulder was made for Gemtech suppressors, though, so YMMV.

***Not usually one to jump in just to set things straight, but I hear yarn this sometimes… and it’s not entirely true. The original threaded 9mm barrels from Smith & Wesson were NOT spec’d *for* Gemtech suppressors, they were initially made for a European government order, which envisioned B&T of Switzerland’s suppressors. In the middle of things, we ended up doing the suppressors for it, but had to use the metric barrels that were already made. We later got S&W spun up and running with 1/2-28 barrels (which will be put on the commercial market one of these days). There’s nothing wrong with the 13.5s, but the U.S. market generally prefers the SAE threadings. The remaining metric threaded barrels went into the Sports South “Specops” model guns.

The S&W factory .45acp threaded barrels, btw, are just a bit longer than the aftermarket ones that were made without benefit of seeing the factory ones. I’d always advise you use the original manufacturer’s barrel over an aftermarket if you have the ability.

Kel

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Interesting! So, there is some European Agency (Swiss maybe?) running around with M&Ps and GemTechs!
I wonder what sights they are using?

My M&P SpecOps:

BladeTech Revolution Holster for M&P Compact! Amazing customer service

You may have seen my post Caution: Do NOT use S&W M&P compact in a Blade-Tech Revolution (FS) holster.

In a nutshell I found that putting my M&P compact into the  Revolution was not a good idea because magazine pops out (they actually only make it for the fullsize). The problem was, of course, only with the compact. Fullsize M&P in the Revolution was fine.

Blade-Tech saw my post and responded quickly that they would check it out, and send me a replacement that worked with both! I also asked that they cut the holster to the compact size. You will see pics why shortly.

When I told Blade-Tech that I could pick up the holster, since I was local, they invited me for a tour of their factory! OK, the holster thing first…

Click on the pic for fullsize.

 

Here is a close up of the holsters, I just thought it was interesting that my original had a S&W logo with little “Military Police” lettering while the new one has the opposite:

 

Holsters side by side to show difference in length (fullsize vs compact). Actually the new one is a little lower, the pic makes it look more dramatic than it is.

 

I think that little bit of material circled is the difference between the two. It was hard to get them both at the same angle to compare. Trust me there is a difference.

Top: Fullsize in the Revolution
Bottom: Compact in the new custom compact

 

If barrel length is important to you – this is how it should look

 

This is what the Compact pistol looks like in the Revolution holster which had the mag problem.

 

Here is what the fullsize looks like in the new compact holster. Looks worse in this pic than the next two.

 

From these next two pics you can see that it BARELY pokes out

 

Keep in mind my mag drop problem with the Revolution Holster  was caused by using a pistol in their holster which it was not actually designed for (compact in a fullsize  holster)! Blade-Tech provided a fix for my problem unsolicited and went above and beyond in customer service– making me a new holster that worked with the fullsize AND compact and, at my request, even cut  it for the shorter pistol for the compact pistol!

I really like the  new  holster. I hope they add it to the line up.

It’s past midnight, my factory tour story will have to wait until tomorrow. But, I will leave you with this….I saw a mold for a S&W 4566 and Steyr  pistols. In fact, I am pretty confident that  no one has more molds of pistols than they do, and they are not all on their website yet.

Caution: *updated* Using S&W M&P compact in Blade-Tech Revolution holster!

Do NOT use S&W M&P compact in Blade-Tech Revolution holster! — Seriously, the mag falls out in the holster if it is tapped on the side!!

Yes, I know it is for the fullsize, but putting a compact in a fullsize holster is not really that outrageous or even illegal. The holster is still an amazing value!

More below…

Most of the time I like having a full size and compact of the same pistol because I can interchange magazines and holsters.

This is not the case with the Blade-Tech Revolution which is for a full size (they do not make a Rev for compacts): http://www.blade-tech.com/Smith-Wesson-Holsters-for-M-P-Series-Pistol-Revolution-Series-Holster-pr-1034.html#product_images

I picked up one of these locally very inexpensively ($30 I think) because I needed a holster to go the range that day. Having both a paddle and belt attachment they are a bargain and pretty comfortable. However, for OWB concealment there are holsters which hold the pistol closer to your body. For CCW I use an IWB.

I decided that I wanted to run to the grocery store and switched out the fullsize for  the compact. To my surprise the mag wasn’t seated! Hmm…I locked it back in and put on my jacked and must have slapped the side because I heard the mag click out again!

After experimenting briefly it became very obvious that any type of push to the side or handle of my 9c caused the mag release to engage in the holster!

Put the FS back in and no problem. The FS stayed in the holster.

Below are the stock photos from the Blade-Tech website. These prominently display the “M&P” logo, while mine has a big “S&W” instead. Maybe this has been fixed in later versions, but I would try it first. I would still buy another one again.

 

 

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