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SHOT Show 2016: The Kimber K6s Revolver

There has been a lot of questions on this somewhat of a surprise new product. I have to admit, being a revolver fan, I was excited about it myself. Not too many new revolvers, especially from a non-revolver company.

The K6s was not a disappointment. It is a cross between the Ruger SP-101 with its beefiness and a S&W ™ J-frame magnum or more specifically the  640 Pro ™ with its sights and moon clips. The price reflects this (the other product has an MSRP of $839).

The trigger was very good (keep in mind stock pistol) – Smooth pull that is not too long. The initial pull stacks a little but I suspect that it is on purpose. The grips were decent – they had both rubber and wood although the wood is not in the catalog. These were pre-production guns as noted by the wood grips that were stamped “SHOT Show 2016” and their SN’s.

Some things I noticed: They rotate counter clockwise and the back-strap is serrated. It’s cut for moon clips. Overall it is very well done. I can’t wait to see what other models they come out with (with moon clips hopefully semi-auto round chamberings are next).

(click on pic to enlarge)

 

Check out the SN and the SHOT Show grips:

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So, a bunch of us were waiting patiently in line to look at, what appeared to be, the only K6s in the booth.
After viewing it, leaving, we all noticed that there was a stack of them on display a few feet away. LOL

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Here are pics of the K6s brochure. I include it  here because I know that not everyone has seen it yet, and it also contains all the details:

k6-1 k6-2 k6-3 k6-4 k6-5 k6-6

Stories of the Death of 40S&W are Greatly Exaggerated

40 ounces – wait – what?

To be honest, when the 40S&W came out in in 1990 I was under-whelmed. I felt that the flexibility of the 10mm was close to ideal and that the 40S&W would never catch on. I actually was a fan of Evan Whildin’s of Action Arms Limited (think Uzi) 41 Action Express. Ironically, the 41AE was designed to replicate the 41 Magnum which itself was designed as the “ideal” law enforcement cartridge (according to Bill Jordan et al)

But I was sure wrong about the 40S&W! At the time it seemed to fill in the middle-ground and resolve the great caliber debate: 9mm vs 45ACP, fast vs slow, single-stack vs double-stack mags, light vs heavy. It caught on quickly and like a wild fire among law enforcement and quickly became the dominant round. I can’t help but think that the fact that we were under the 1994 high capacity magazine ban limiting capacity helped fuel its popularity – at least in the civilian market.

Despite this, it would take me about a decade of a proven track record to warm up to it. Let’s face it – the older I got, the heavier that full size 45 felt.

 

What was once old is new again!

Enter 2014 and the FBI has re-adopted the 9mm (more on that in a minute) and it seems that the internet is a buzz with stories of how the 40 is either dead or dying. More recently I have even seen a trend of where very well-known firearms experts seem to go out of their way to discredit the 40S&W. Not that I necessarily disagree with their reasons or evaluations (there is a pro and con to everything), but I find the sudden upswing of anti-endorsements odd.

Just yesterday I saw a thread where a prominent competition shooter said that he (still) preferred the 40 to the shock of many on the internet. There was a bit of criticism and I was surprised to see him defending his choice and even qualifying it. Gosh folks—he can shoot whatever he likes. I will never understand why anyone cares what someone else uses.

Speaking of what is old is new – consider the possibility of another assault weapons ban. It is a common mantra of anti-gunners’ “common sense” legislation. If we were limited to 10 rounds in new pistols again worse (all firearms) would your opinion change? Think that it couldn’t happen? Tell me how it couldn’t happen for the decade that it did. It is only because of the NRA that there was a 10 year sunset. If not for that clause we would STILL be under its limit (end political rant).

 

Internet declares the 40 S&W in its last days

But I digress, why do I think that the stories of the 40’s death are exaggerated?

The biggest reason is that it still holds about 60% of the U.S. Law enforcement market.

That is huge – it means that there are more 40 S&W pistols in service than ALL other calibers COMBINED!

Incidentally, the most popular law enforcement pistol is the Glock 22. Glock civilian sales are completely different and the best seller in the U.S. is the model 19.

 

But the FBI just switched to 9mm so the 40 will die out!

Will it? I was wrong about the switch-over to 40 S&W but this time I am not seeing the massive shift to follow the FBI like we have in the past. Yes, I know that there are some, but not like before.

Seems like the FBI switches standard issue very frequently. From memory I can think of four changes: revolver to 9mm, to 10mm, to 40S&W and now back to the 9mm. I think that most departments would have a hard time justifying the cost of changing calibers so frequently, let alone BACK to one previously used. Today’s political environment is also, unfortunately, much more hostile to law enforcement. I feel that there may be a public backlash to “buying the police new guns.” There would definitely be accusations of funding waste.

 

Abandoned FBI rounds just don’t die

I also question the belief that a round will die out because the FBI no longer uses it. Historically this simply is not true. None of the rounds that the FBI used formerly have died out! The 38, 357 Magnum, 9mm, 10mm, 40S&W are definitely still popular. For literally YEARS people have been saying that the 10mm was dead. At worst, it is a boutique round even though there were new pistols from Glock this year (who already has a pretty good line of 10’s), one from SIG (who has never made one previously) and an expanded line from RIA. Not too bad if you ask me. The 40S&W is even more established than the 10mm ever was.

 

Going down the same road as 41AE and 41Mag?

In fact, of all the rounds discussed I think that the only one that I would say is dead is the 41AE. It was never adopted by any agency and only available from a few providers – in a conversion kit, Tanfoglios and the IMI Jericho. I think ammo only came from UZI/Samson. If you think that the 40 S&W has a bit of kick or is hard on guns the 41AE was worse. I sold my Browning HiPower conversion kit long before it disappeared.

The 41 Magnum has fared a little better – It was adopted limitedly and revolvers are still made. Ammo is still available but far from common place. This is truthfully probably what a lot of people think of (hope?) for the future of the 40 S&W. But, the fact that a very powerful REVOLVER round (significantly more powerful than the 10mm) intended for law enforcement but only adopted by a few agencies (2 or 3?) still exists today is pretty remarkable. Besides Rick (Walking Dead) how many agencies even issue any revolver as a duty sidearm? Maybe some Corrections and Reserves? I think the 40 and 41 Mag comparison is not 1-to-1, but it is noteworthy.

 

Which is better: 9, 40, 45, 50AE? Google!

The 9mm vs 40S&W vs 45ACP vs whatever debates have been hashed to death on the internet. Way too much time and bandwidth is wasted on justifying what the “best” round is. I am not going to engage in each caliber’s pros/cons – and every cartridge has BOTH. Google’g will result in a ridiculous amount of material.

 

Some arguments are just not worth participating/Google first!

I do feel that I have to point out a weird caliber argument that I saw yesterday. Someone called the 40S&W “Short & Weak” when compared to the 9mm. Now, when the 40S&W was introduced there were people who called it “Short & Weak” in comparison to its big brother 10mm but using the phrase in a justification of the 9mm over 40S&W is just wacky – check your cartridge dimensions first! I wish I had kept the link to that particular thread. On second thought, I am glad I didn’t.

 

My conclusion? Somebody buy me a Wilson (in any caliber)

Carry what you want. They all work…mostly (well, they are all still just pistol rounds). As for the experts – they are not wrong and I respect their opinions (heck, I just bought a Glock 43 as a backup/deep conceal!). I am unsure of the seeming animosity towards the 40 S&W and why there feels like an anti-40 campaign. They are people too and are entitled to their opinion and to buy what they like.

But, like most police departments, I am heavily invested in 40 equipment and ammo. So, my main carry will continue to be 40S&W. Not that I don’t think that there are plenty of other reasons to stick with the 40 (it works and I like the boom), but economics alone are a big reason that the 40 S&W won’t be going away any time soon.


Some reading material if your bored/interested:

History of FBI hand guns – http://www.americanrifleman.org/articles/2011/8/22/a-history-of-fbi-handguns/

The Forgotten M&P (41Magnum) – http://modernserviceweapons.com/?p=3176

Wikipedia entry for 41AE – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.41_Action_Express
(I wish I had kept some of the AAL promo material on it)

FBI Handgun Wounding Factor Effectiveness – http://gundata.org/images/fbi-handgun-ballistics.pdf
(I know it is a bit dated now, but it is worth reading)

Army opens up possibility of adopting non-9mm – http://kitup.military.com/2014/07/army-40-caliber-fbi-returns-9mm.html
(Not likely, but wouldn’t that be funny?)

 

Two new 10’s and Sig Elite 10mm ammo? Oh my!

I know by now everyone has heard about the new Sig P220 and the new Glock hunting/competition optics ready pistol, both chambered in (one of my favorites) 10mm.

I hadn’t chimed off yet but I wanted to say kudos to a round that has been declared “dead” for years by some. Clearly not! I am hoping that the new P220 is part of the instructor/LEO program.

One thing I also saw that was exciting for 10mm fans is that Sig’s Elite Ammo line will be including a 10mm load. A modern defense loading!!

Exciting times for 10mm fans. Now if we could just get that big American Revolver company (either one) to chamber a 10mm :)

Article says that law enforcement adoption of 40S&W is a conspiracy? WTF?

I don’t usually criticize other gun bloggers, but I feel that I must when I see something posted that I think is just wrong. The article is titled: “Why Many Agencies are Switching to the 9mm.” This set my expectations too high. Maybe I am just grumpy today or just tired of the endless caliber wars/stopping power debates on the internet. Or maybe it is because he calls law enforcement adoption of the 40S&W a conspiracy (read on!)

This article which is actually an opinion piece on why he carries 9mm and feels justified because some law enforcement have switched back to 9mm. For the record, a lot of LE never stopped. I would be surprised if 9mm isn’t the #2 carried LE round. Here is the link to the article I am quoting: http://www.usacarry.com/why-agencies-switching-9mm/?utm_source=USA+Carry&utm_campaign=0282c2f3fb-Why+Many+Agencies+are+Switching+to+the+9mm&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_2bd92c16fa-0282c2f3fb-47605009.

With the title “Why Many Agencies are Switching to the 9mm” I was expecting an article about the possible shift in law enforcement to 9mm. I have been predicting it for a while due to ammo availability and cost. If you were looking for facts or figures – there aren’t any. The law enforcement references are anecdotal at best:

The fact is, law enforcement in Minnesota, Iowa, South Dakota, and Colorado are just a few of the places switching.

That doesn’t really help. That doesn’t look like “many” to me. Is there actually a shift. We will never know from this because that’s as specific as he gets.

Not quoted, but I do absolutely agree with the logic he gives: more capacity, lower recoil, less expensive ammo. And of course I agree with shot placement being king.

After that he loses me:

I’ve been carrying 9mm for years and have had plenty of “macho” folks comment to me that I carry a “weaker” round. However, my so-called “weaker” round is a 124-grain Speer Gold Dot, which I’m confident will stop any threat I may encounter. So if you’ve been thinking of switching to a 9mm, don’t let others talk you out of it and realize that many law enforcement agencies are now “seeing the light” and coming back to the 9mm too.

Uh, what? I don’t care what you carry or what other people think about what you carry. Why do YOU care? Caliber-wars are silly. What happened to this being about law enforcement?? The last sentence is a vague tie-in that I guess we are to presume that if its good enough for some non-identified law enforcement agencies (“many”) that it must be good enough for us? Or perhaps vice versa – since I carry it, 9mm is good enough for LEAs? Well, if it makes the author feel better I think he has chosen a very good round.

The article gets even weirder:

“In fact, the only reason that the police switched from 9mm to .40 in the first place was because of the Assault Weapons ban of 1994. The 1994 law banned the production of high capacity magazines, however, you could still sell “pre-ban” magazines. So the gun manufacturers went to police departments and offered big incentives to upgrade to the .40 so they could get the departments to turn in the high capacity 9mm magazines that they could resell for a huge profit.

Really? The “ONLY” reason? Wow.
The company known as “S&W” (a registered trademark which I am not affiliated with) and Winchester designed the 40S&W in 1990. The 40S&W was actually predated by several 40-caliber rounds that didn’t meet with commercial success. My favorite is the .41AE (Action Express) designed by Evan Whildin of Action Arms Ltd (former importers of Uzi) back in 1986! And even before that (in the 70s) there was the 40G&A. I guess according to the author that all these folks were psychic to the Assault Weapons Ban that would happen, much later, in 1994.

Anyway, not to get into the “stopping power” debate, let’s just say there were other reasons for the 40S&W and its adoption.

A quick one (reason 1), which is not conducive to the author’s entire argument, is the famous “Miami FBI Shootout” and its famous “that-should-have-been-fatal” shot. That incident caused the FBI to reevaluate and drop the 9mm as the agency adopted round.

That event ended up giving us the mighty 10mm as the FBI and other agencies official round. Since the FBI 10mm was downloaded anyway folks figured that they could squeeze it into a smaller package and the 40S&W was born. HEY…that’s two reasons that the .40S&W came to be! (reason 2)

I am not going to even comment on the magazine statements. Pure conjecture at best. But, if you count it, it makes reason 3! :)

But, for reason #4 the 40 was adopted so rapidly by law enforcement (and my personal belief) is timing. High-capacity semi’s were coming of age (and reliable) and revolvers for law enforcement had been on its way out since the mid to late 80’s. This spawned the great 9 vs 45 aka light vs fast aka capacity caliber wars. The 40S&W was right smack in the middle – capacity, bullet weight, bullet diameter, and fit into (modified) smaller 9mm framed pistols unlike the 10mm and 45ACP which are built on larger platforms. A superb compromise and a round that works! What you will not find is anyone saying that the 40 is ineffective and that they are switching back to 9mm.

To cement his point the author concludes:

In other words, it wasn’t because the .40 was a miraculous new round, it’s because gun manufacturers wanted to make money and so they made the police departments an offer they couldn’t resist.

Maybe I am too sensitive but to me that reads like he is insulting the firearms industry by claiming a conspiracy, and basically calling law enforcement gullible. You know that law enforcement were exempt from the magazine ban right? They could have kept the 9mm. Manufacturers could have just replaced all their mags with LE stamped ones. No, no, no, it probably was easier, quicker, and cheaper to make entirely new mags for them. Whatever.

My take on this whole 9mm vs 40 vs 45 debate? Simple…
Bullet technology has advanced by leaps and bounds in the last 10 years. Gone are the days of the “picky” auto-loader that wouldn’t feed HydraShoks (well, mostly gone)!

With equal quality bullets defensive rounds are pretty much equal. The bulk of ballistic data (take your pick of sources: shootings, cadaver analysis, ballistic gel tests) indicates that 9mm, 40S&W, 357Sig, and 45ACP ALL perform very closely. So, carry what you want! Just don’t skimp on the ammo, if you can find it. And goodness, don’t care what other people think! Just practice as much as you can. A hit with a .22 is better than a miss with a .45, or that 10mm you left at home.

Of course, we are talking about the best defensive ammo. What happens if you only have hardball? As they say in the car motor world: There ain’t no replacement for displacement! LOL

Oct is time for another handgun! (rambling) Thoughts on the Beretta 92FS and other things…

Well, it is October and that means that I should buy another handgun. I know that should please Piers Anthony and Jim Carrey immensely. Oh well!

I was recently impressed with Beretta USA’s statement that they may move from restrictive Maryland. That ended up not coming to fruition, but they did state that any future expansion would be elsewhere. That is at least a start and is more than some other big East Coast gun companies. It is noteworthy to mention that Magpul & PTR have moved, Kahr & Ruger have moved some operations, and Colt has expanded in Florida.

But I digress. Why the Beretta 92FS/M9? This is prior to blogging but back in 1985-6 I was not a fan. I couldn’t believe that the venerable M1911A1 which had served for 75 years and was being replaced by a pistol with undesirable features (my list of cons at the time):

  • big
  • fat
  • 9mm
  • looong heavy double-action
  • slide mounted safety
  • integral front sight
  • open top design
  • complicated (# of parts) design
  • I wasn’t a big fan of the 9mm, but if I had to have a 9mm it should be a High Power. I still love the HP, but 9mm ammo has come a long away and a lot of my early criticisms are not a concern to me any longer.

    Well, almost 30 years later I have come to admire the pistol. One has to admit that despite the controversy and “problems” it has served the United States well. When I say problems I mean specifically the Italian metallurgy issues (that brought about the 92F to 92FS) and broken locking blocks. Both these issues appear to be very limited in scope. Compare to other folks recalls lately (hmm…that sounds like another blog post in itself).

    Other “issues” like the effectiveness of 9mm FMJ in combat or bad contract magazines can’t really be blamed on the pistol.

    What else changed my mind about the Beretta 92FS? Actually spending some range time with one! First time out with one I was able to qualify marksman with it. I was amazed at how straight shooting they are. The craftsmanship on this particular one was exemplary (it was a 90’s Italian if that makes any difference). The pistol operated liked butter – the trigger/hammer although ridiculously long and heavy were superb and everything about it was smooth without grittiness. Pull the action back on one, cock the hammer – no break in required!

    You may have noticed that I am not a big fan of the looong and heavy double-action trigger. At the time I was coming exclusively from the world of 1911s and HiPowers. I didn’t like any DA but the Beretta in particular was stood out as excessive. Since then I have a lot more shooting experience with DA pistols and well, have become more proficient with them.

    Ironically, DA-pistols once claimed the pistol thrown and were all the rage, are now out of vogue. In fact, try and find one. There are few made in the world of single-actions and strikers. Take a look at Ruger’s offering. Ruger pistols were once dominated with double-action pistols in just about any caliber. Now there are none. The P95 (under-rated IMO) was on there the last time I looked, but must have been recently removed.

    My, how times have changed. When the U.S. Military announced M9 adoption everyone rushed out to buy one – at inflated prices. Now, I called around to find one and the youngster who answered the phone at one shop didn’t even know what one was! Forced to looked it up he said that they were discontinued and that all I could get was a compact, INOX (which he had no idea meant stainless slide with silver frame), and M9A1. The 92FS is still in the Beretta catalog, so I hope that they are made. I was bummed that I did not see the Brigadier offered any longer. I don’t think the slide beefing up is needed any longer, but I don’t see it as a detriment.

    The Beretta 92 was designed in 1972 so it is not that old of a design, at least when compared to the 1911 or the HiPower (adopted in 1911 by the U.S. and 1935 by Belgium respectively). I pick these two pistols because they are were designed by John Browning and influenced almost all small arms pistols that have come since. If it has a tilt barrel, it is based on Browning’s designs. Did you know that one of the HiPowr prototypes was a striker pistol? The Beretta 92FS however is completely different and to me that makes it stand out.

    So, what about that list of negatives? Well, they are still there but keep in mind that it is a duty pistol. For me, it will be a range and a nightstand bump in the night pistol and will be perfect. I also suspect that its smooth functioning and non-existent recoil will make it a hit for training new shooters. I still wouldn’t considered it as a primary CCW pistol.

    Sometimes, things are worth taking a second look.

    Glock 21 and 30 factory loads chrono’d

    I am a sucker for ballistics, although admittedly their value is often over-stated and people spend far too much time arguing which one is “better.” Choosing 115gr vs 124gr vs 147gr should not be a traumatic experience :) However, I find it interesting when we get real world data.

    Here is a great thread from: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?96214-Factory-ammo-chronographed-in-G30-and-G21

    Since I am looking to get a Gen4 (29 or 30) in the near future I found it interesting. Especially since it includes two of my favorites: Speer GoldDot and Hornady TAP.

    Highlights:

    1. Remington Golden Saber 230gr
    765 fps/ 805 fps

    A mild to shoot load. Pretty weak as well. Unlike the others (except for #2 this one is a few years old.

    2. Federal 230gr Hydro Shock
    810 fps/ 830 fps
    Another older and very mild to shoot load.

    3. Buffalo Bore 230gr JHP (Montana Gold bullet) +P
    —/940 fps.
    One thing about Buffalo Bore is their bullets go as fast as they say. When I pulled the trigger on this load I had to really hang on to the gun. Big kick and big boom. Truth in advertising but pretty usless for point shooting or any one handed shooting. I did not bother with the G30 test.

    4. Hornady TAP 230gr +P (XTP bullet)
    847 fps/ 865 fps.
    Heck of a nice load. Easy shooter for full power. Obviously +P means different things to different ammo makers. This is a great full power 45 acp load.

    5. Hornady TAP 200gr +P (XTP bullet)
    938 fps/ 965 fps
    Also heck of a nice load. Plenty of speed but easy to shoot. Outstanding load.

    6. Speer Gold Dot 230gr
    802 fps/ 846
    Good standard pressure performance and as gentle as can be. Made the G21 feel like it was shooting marshmallows. Easier to shoot than the Hornaday loads.

    7. Speer Gold Dot 200gr +P
    997 fps/ 1050 fps
    Woof! I didn’t know Speer had it in them. This load is a rocket! Recoil and blast are really up there though. With enough practice I could learn to shoot it well but not without specific training (remember… point shooting, on the move and either hand). It’s an awesome powerful load but too much of a good thing at least for me.

    8. Double Tap 230gr JHP (Gold Dot’s)
    860 fps/ 890 fps
    This is the load I carry when I’m toting a Glock 45. It’s a standard pressure load that moves the bullet very very fast. I reshot them last weekend in a direct comparison to the Hornady loads above. I could not tell a recoil difference. Easy, fast and accurate. The only downside is they are only occasionally available from Double Tap.

    Let’s add some more from: http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19298

    Highlights:
    5 shots ave with each rounds. Chronograph 12 feet 65 70 deg 2500 feet el.

    Glock 21. Glock 30

    Double tap 185 +P. 1119 fps. 999 fps
    Rem 185+P. 1126 fps. 1096 fps
    Rem golden saber 185+P 1094 fps. 1033 fps
    Rem golden saber 230. 856 fps. 813 fps
    Corbon 185 +P. 1127 fps. 1108 fps
    Winchester 230 SXT +P. ??? 875 fps

    Google-FU is strong on this topic (http://glocktalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1305515.html):

    corbon 185jhp +P 1127 fps 1108 fps
    rem 185jhp +P 1143 fps 1096 fps
    double tap 185jhp+p 1119 fps 1060 fps
    rem golden saber 185+P 1092 fps 1033 fps
    rem golden saber 230 856 fps 813 fps

    Interesting that the Rem GS load is significantly higher than what FirearmsTactical and the person above got (both in the 1030ish range).

    Some short Barrel 357 Magnum chronographed loads

    Folks keep pinging me on data for short barrel revolvers and 357magnum. I am not done yet, but here is a snapshot of some of the data I have collected. It is limited but does have a sample from Ruger SP101 2.25″, 3″, Ruger GP100 3″, and a couple of different S&W 2.5″, 3″ and 4″ revolvers.

    Click on image for fullsize:
    357mag_loads

    I know that some of them look weird (like the Speer 158gr 2.5″ vs 3″), but that is what I have recorded. I will have to doublecheck those.

    Sen. Blumenthal proposes background checks to buy ammunition

    This is what is being promoted as “reasonable” & “common sense.”
    The Sen. says that a background check only takes a few seconds?
    And that cost is neglibible (when compared to benefit)?

    These folks don’t care if a box of 9mm ammo costs $50. There is nothing or common sense about this proposal.
    Not to mention there is not a shred of fact to backup that this will prevent crime.

    Beauracrats love paperwork for the sake of paperwork. Is there a problem with tracking ammo? No, because we already track guns. The problem with paperwork is that it is examined AFTER the fact. The Newport shooter’s guns — more correctly his mother’s stolen guns — and I don’t use his name because he doesn’t deserve it — were tracked. What is the advantage of tracking where the ammo he used came from????

    http://www.gopusa.com/news/2013/01/09/bluementhal-proposes-background-checks-to-buy-ammunition/?subscriber=1

    Glock 26 chrony results

    This is a work in progress…

    Since I don’t have anywhere to put this yet, some Glock 26 (and 17 if available):

    Speer 124gr GoldDot 1068
    Fed 135gr HydraShok 974
    Speer 147gr GoldDot 924
    Speer 124gr+P GoldDot 1155
    Win 147gr SXT 919
    Rem 124gr+P Golden Saber 1139 (1196)
    Rem 147gr Golden Saber 998 (1018)
    Win 147gr SXT 983 (1006)

    Fed 115gr (9BP) 1111
    Hornady 124gr XTP CQTAP 1100
    CorBon 124gr+P XTP 1229
    Corbon 125gr+P JHP 1188
    Win 127gr+P+ Ranger RA9TA 1246

    10mm chrony results

    In my continuing saga of compiling data on (not necessarily currently available) factory loads, the 10mm. Some are pretty meager/embarassing but I want to document these 40 loads just the same.

    Norma 170gr JPH … Colt Delta Elite 5″ … 1358
    Federal 180gr HydraShok … S&W 1076 4.25″ … 1094
    Speer 180gr GoldDot … S&W 1076 4.25″ … 967
    Win 180gr JHP … S&W 1076 4.25 … 927
    Rem 180gr Golden Saber … S&W 1076 … 977
    Fed 180gr HiShok … S&W 1076 … 950
    Win 200gr Ranger SXT … S&W 1076 … 945
    Hornady 200gr XTP … S&W 1076 … 1056
    Hornady 180gr XTP … Witness Stock 4.5″ … 1142
    CorBon 135gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1378
    CorBon 135gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1445
    Corbon 150gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1220
    CorBon 150gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1198
    Corbon 155gr DPX … Witness Stock … 1147
    Corbon 155gr DPX … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1129
    CorBon 165gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1270
    CorBon 165gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1247
    DoubleTap 165gr GDHP … Glock 20 …. 1463
    Win 175gr SilverTip …. Glock 20 …. 1383
    Buffalo Bore 180 gr GDHP … Witness Stock … 1311
    Buffalo Bore 180 gr GDHP … Glock 20….. … 1324
    DoubleTap 180gr XTP …. Glock 20 … 1309
    DoubleTap 200gr BearTooth WFNGC … 1290
    DoubleTap 200gr XTP … Glock 20 … 1308
    DoubleTap 230gr Equalizer … Glock 20 … 1024

    Colt Delta Elite

    Corbon 180gr JHP … 1268
    Hornady 155gr XTP … 1335
    CorBon 150gr JHP … 1351
    Hornady 180gr XTP … 1230
    Win 175 SilverTip … 1239
    CorBon 180gr JSP … 1206
    Norma 200gr FMJ … 1140
    Corbon 165gr JHP … 1236
    Corbon 135gr JHP … 1357
    Hornady 200gr XTP … 1099
    Federal 180gr JHP … 1014
    Fed HydraSHok 180gr … 968

    Glock 29

    CorBon 180gr JHP … 1344
    Norma 200gr FMJ … 1096
    Hornady 155gr XTP … 1231
    Hornady 180gr XTP … 1130
    CorBon 150gr JHP … 1226
    Win 175gr SilverTip … 1129
    Hornady 200gr XTP … 1044
    CorBon 165gr JHP … 1131
    CorBon 135gr JHP … 1240
    Fed 180gr JHP … 978

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