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Some short Barrel 357 Magnum chronographed loads

Folks keep pinging me on data for short barrel revolvers and 357magnum. I am not done yet, but here is a snapshot of some of the data I have collected. It is limited but does have a sample from Ruger SP101 2.25″, 3″, Ruger GP100 3″, and a couple of different S&W 2.5″, 3″ and 4″ revolvers.

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357mag_loads

I know that some of them look weird (like the Speer 158gr 2.5″ vs 3″), but that is what I have recorded. I will have to doublecheck those.

Glock 26 chrony results

This is a work in progress…

Since I don’t have anywhere to put this yet, some Glock 26 (and 17 if available):

Speer 124gr GoldDot 1068
Fed 135gr HydraShok 974
Speer 147gr GoldDot 924
Speer 124gr+P GoldDot 1155
Win 147gr SXT 919
Rem 124gr+P Golden Saber 1139 (1196)
Rem 147gr Golden Saber 998 (1018)
Win 147gr SXT 983 (1006)

Fed 115gr (9BP) 1111
Hornady 124gr XTP CQTAP 1100
CorBon 124gr+P XTP 1229
Corbon 125gr+P JHP 1188
Win 127gr+P+ Ranger RA9TA 1246

10mm chrony results

In my continuing saga of compiling data on (not necessarily currently available) factory loads, the 10mm. Some are pretty meager/embarassing but I want to document these 40 loads just the same.

Norma 170gr JPH … Colt Delta Elite 5″ … 1358
Federal 180gr HydraShok … S&W 1076 4.25″ … 1094
Speer 180gr GoldDot … S&W 1076 4.25″ … 967
Win 180gr JHP … S&W 1076 4.25 … 927
Rem 180gr Golden Saber … S&W 1076 … 977
Fed 180gr HiShok … S&W 1076 … 950
Win 200gr Ranger SXT … S&W 1076 … 945
Hornady 200gr XTP … S&W 1076 … 1056
Hornady 180gr XTP … Witness Stock 4.5″ … 1142
CorBon 135gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1378
CorBon 135gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1445
Corbon 150gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1220
CorBon 150gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1198
Corbon 155gr DPX … Witness Stock … 1147
Corbon 155gr DPX … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1129
CorBon 165gr JHP … Witness Stock … 1270
CorBon 165gr JHP … Glock 20 4.6″ … 1247
DoubleTap 165gr GDHP … Glock 20 …. 1463
Win 175gr SilverTip …. Glock 20 …. 1383
Buffalo Bore 180 gr GDHP … Witness Stock … 1311
Buffalo Bore 180 gr GDHP … Glock 20….. … 1324
DoubleTap 180gr XTP …. Glock 20 … 1309
DoubleTap 200gr BearTooth WFNGC … 1290
DoubleTap 200gr XTP … Glock 20 … 1308
DoubleTap 230gr Equalizer … Glock 20 … 1024

Colt Delta Elite

Corbon 180gr JHP … 1268
Hornady 155gr XTP … 1335
CorBon 150gr JHP … 1351
Hornady 180gr XTP … 1230
Win 175 SilverTip … 1239
CorBon 180gr JSP … 1206
Norma 200gr FMJ … 1140
Corbon 165gr JHP … 1236
Corbon 135gr JHP … 1357
Hornady 200gr XTP … 1099
Federal 180gr JHP … 1014
Fed HydraSHok 180gr … 968

Glock 29

CorBon 180gr JHP … 1344
Norma 200gr FMJ … 1096
Hornady 155gr XTP … 1231
Hornady 180gr XTP … 1130
CorBon 150gr JHP … 1226
Win 175gr SilverTip … 1129
Hornady 200gr XTP … 1044
CorBon 165gr JHP … 1131
CorBon 135gr JHP … 1240
Fed 180gr JHP … 978

Glock 27 vs 23 chrony results

These compilations are a work in progress and I will add to them, but here are some Glock 27 vs 23 results. The 40S&W loses very little from a 4″:

Federal 180gr JHP ——————– 913 vs 962
Rem 180gr Golden Saber ————— 934 vs 961
Speer 180gr Lawman ——————- 914 vs 967
Fed 155gr HydraShok —————— 1077 vs 1107
Speer 155gr GoldDot —————— 1148 vs 1210
Win 155gr SilverTip —————— 1082 vs 1131 (another sample only 1080)
CorBon 135gr ————————- 1210 vs 1258
Win 180gr SXT ———————— ???? vs 911
Rem 165gr Golden Saber ————— ???? vs 1040

Here is a good resource for some Glock 23 results: http://stevespages.com/page8f40sw.html

Some short barrel 45 (Chrony) ballistic results along with random thoughts vs 40S&W

I really want something like a Glock 30 or an Officer’s size 45ACP pistol. Mainly because the shortest 45ACP I own has a 4.25″ barrel.

I like big bullets but I also like them to go fast — hence why I am a 10mm fan. Spare me how you don’t need speed. My first pistol was a 5″ 1911 and that was a long time ago. I don’t need to be sold on the fact 45ACP it works. I am not debating that. However, the 45ACP is an incredibly LOW pressure round @ ~18,500 CUP (how old school is CUP?) it WILL lose velocity quickly with shorter barrels. It is one of the main arguments that 45GAP has going for it (loses little in say a 3.5″ bbl platform).

Conventional wisdom would say that, on average, a round will lose 20-30-40-50 fps per 1/2″ or barrel loss. I know quite a range, no?

Doing a little looking I was able to find some info posted by the late Stephen Camp. I trust his #’s 100%. For those that didn’t know him, he was a gentleman and also a HiPower guru. It comes from this THR thread: http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-102573.html. This is good info and is pretty close to BBTI’s estimate of 787fps.

The most significant result is that, at least to me, (very) short barrel ballistics for the 45ACP is virtually identical to short barrel 40S&W. The 40S&W loses little in a 3.5″ platform–in some loads as little as 30fps from a 4″–when comparing 40/180 to 45/185. Keep in mind that a 40/180 gives you the same sectional density of a 45/230. I know that to a lot of folks 45/230 is still king and might think it blasphemy to move away from 230gr you might find it noteworthy that John M. Browning actually designed the 45ACP to be a 200gr bullet. Anyway, I find 45/185 to be very accurate. A 40/180 just as accurate, much more common and cheaper to shoot.

Stephen A. Camp
September 21, 2004, 12:45 AM
Hello. As part of a project I’m doing, I recently borrowed a Colt Defender, a compact variation of John Browning’s 1911. Several different commercial loads were chronographed to see just how much velocity these short barrel pistols lost.

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The gun’s owner replaced the factory grips and installed/fitted Swenson ambis as he’s left-handed.

I had a ballpark idea but had never checked any of these over a chronograph as I don’t own any 1911 pattern pistol with shorter than a 4 1/4″ barrel.

That does not mean that other folks don’t and I figured the results might be of some interest to them. Figures are based on 10 shots fired approx. 10′ from the chronograph screen.

Remington 185-gr. MC-Flat Nose:
Average Velocity: 923 ft/sec

Federal 185-gr. Classic JHP:
Average Velocity: 885 ft/sec

Corbon 200-gr. JHP +P:
Average Velocity: 958 ft/sec

Sellier & Bellot 230-gr. FMJ:
Average Velocity: 722 ft/sec

Winchester USA 230-gr. FMJ:
Average Velocity: 765 ft/sec

Federal 230-gr. Hydrashok:
Average Velocity: 799 ft/sec

Winchester Ranger 230-gr. JHP:
Average Velocity: 797 ft/sec

Winchester Ranger 230-gr. JHP+P:
Average Velocity: 866 ft/sec

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The Federal 185-gr. JHP (left) and the standard pressure Winchester Ranger SXT (RA45T) were fired into water and both expanded nicely. The Federal JHP’s jacket separated. This is more common in water than in tissue. The SXT round expanded slightly less than when fired out of a 5″ barrel. A police officer who attended a Ballistics Seminar
put on by Winchester advises that they do recommend use of the +P version in pistols having less than 4″ barrels to insure more certain expansion should the bullet pass through barriers before striking the target.

Best.

Since I mentioned the Glock 30 here (from http://www.firearmstactical.com/test_data/45acp/rem45-185gs+p-g30.htm) is the Remington Golden Saber 185gr +P clocked:

.45 ACP Remington 185gr +P Golden Saber Brass JHP
Test Weapon: Glock 30, 3.8″ bbl Bare
Gelatin Denim Covered
Gelatin
10 rd Avg. Velocity: 1034 fps
General-Purpose Combat Capability Optimal Satisfactory

and

GL 30 230gr HydraShok average 813fps

and some more…

Some Kimber 5″ Custom vs 4″ Kimber Pro (15′ from muzzle):
5″ 185gr Remington Golden Saber 1153fps
4″ 185gr Remington Golden saber 1007fps

5″ Corbon 185gr +P 1185fps
4″ Corbon 185gr +P 1041fps

Here is a really good page with Kimber CDP 3″, Cold Commander 4.25″, Ruger BH 4.6″, and Colt Govt 5″ (!) chronograph ballistics: http://stevespages.com/page8f45acp.html

Wondering about the G21 vs G20? Well, I have some data from a website no longer available too:

Corbon 165gr BHP+P —————————– 1160 vs 1096
Federal 165gr Personal Defense —————– 1083 vs 1023
Remington 185gr Golden Saber ——————- 961 vs 913
Remington 185gr+P Golden Saber —————– 1040 vs 993
Win 185gr SilverTip —————————- 922 vs 875
CorBon 200gr+P JHP —————————– 1072 vs 1019
CorBon 230gr+P JHP —————————– 937 vs 904
Fed 230gr HydraShok —————————- 919 vs 860
Hornady 230gr+P XTP —————————- 943 vs 886
Rem 230gr Golden Saber ————————- 852 vs 825
Win 230gr SXT ———————————- 889 vs 840

Now I am off to find some 357magnum short barrel ballistics. Have a good night.
Settle down, Angus!

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