Category name:GLOCK

Two new 10’s and Sig Elite 10mm ammo? Oh my!

I know by now everyone has heard about the new Sig P220 and the new Glock hunting/competition optics ready pistol, both chambered in (one of my favorites) 10mm.

I hadn’t chimed off yet but I wanted to say kudos to a round that has been declared “dead” for years by some. Clearly not! I am hoping that the new P220 is part of the instructor/LEO program.

One thing I also saw that was exciting for 10mm fans is that Sig’s Elite Ammo line will be including a 10mm load. A modern defense loading!!

Exciting times for 10mm fans. Now if we could just get that big American Revolver company (either one) to chamber a 10mm :)

Solved – Where are the MBS pins for the new Gen4 pistols?

So, I feel silly but I went to put on the next size back strap on my new Gen4 model 27 to make it the same size as my Gen3. Obviously the short one is in the pistol, but where was the longer one?

Ok, before you call me completely stupid the new Gen4s now come with (4) back straps including the two beavertail panels. They come attached on a bracket that also includes the MBS removal tool. I looked in the box (which is where they used to come) and couldn’t find it.

So, I called Glock and the Sales Rep. I talked to was also confused and that they must be doing something new. She confirmed that they used to just come in a little plastic bag with the panels. See, I don’t feel completely stupid now. Well, at least until I found out where they were. She transferred me to tech support where I did feel stupid.

For fun before I tell you where they are here is the original camera phone snap shot of my Gen4s. See if you can figure out where they are.

Click on the pic to enlarge:
gen4

Ok, you probably know where it is. I can’t for the life of me figure out why I couldn’t.

Click on the link for the pic (and you can click on the pic to enlarge):
The Answer (pic)

Anyway, I thought I would help anyone else that may have actually read the new manual and finding that it doesn’t tell you where to find the long pin. Oh, and thanks to Glock Tech Support for quickly answering my question and not laughing (at least while I was on the phone) :)

Glock Gen4 goodness (with pic) and good news – Blue Labels shipping now!

My local gunshop called to let me know that my Glock 23 and 27 Gen4s had come in! They said that Glock was definitely shipping now and that they had received more Glocks in the last two weeks than they have all year. Blue Labels, even for law enforcement were running almost two months. My pistols took 2 1/2 months.

Initial impressions?
Build quality is very good. Finish looks like it has changed again. It is more dull and a little greyer. It looks like it will scratch easier than previous iterations, but it is too early to tell. Frame is still stamped made in Austria – folks had been telling me that the all U.S. made models had replaced the Austrian made ones. While the U.S. made models do exist, it appears that they are not in U.S. distribution yet (at least for the models I bought).

The trigger?
It also seems that Glock has been doing some work here. The original Gen4 triggers felt gritty, heavy and stiff (IMO), at least when compared with Gen3s. This pair have great triggers. It is clean with a crisp break. In fact, I think that the reset it better than the Gen3. The break itself seems to have less of the “sproing” found in Gen3s.

The feel?
I really like the “cuboid” grip texture. The small grip of the 23 fits my hand even better than the Gen3. The 27 small grip may be a bit too small. Range time will tell. I didn’t like the mag release in pics but it does feel pretty good. I found nothing wrong with the Gen3 release so I would have preferred that they didn’t change it.

That’s all I can think of at the moment. I am glad to have some Gen4 to gain some experience on. Even the Glock Armorers Course was very light on them. I will report back when I get some range time on them. Unfortunately, I didn’t expect both to come in at the same time, so I ran out of $ to buy ammmo :)

Eventually these will replace my other non-Glock brand polymer pistols as my daily CCW.

Obligatory camera phone pic below (click pic to enlarge):

gen4

Glock 21 and 30 factory loads chrono’d

I am a sucker for ballistics, although admittedly their value is often over-stated and people spend far too much time arguing which one is “better.” Choosing 115gr vs 124gr vs 147gr should not be a traumatic experience :) However, I find it interesting when we get real world data.

Here is a great thread from: http://www.warriortalk.com/showthread.php?96214-Factory-ammo-chronographed-in-G30-and-G21

Since I am looking to get a Gen4 (29 or 30) in the near future I found it interesting. Especially since it includes two of my favorites: Speer GoldDot and Hornady TAP.

Highlights:

1. Remington Golden Saber 230gr
765 fps/ 805 fps

A mild to shoot load. Pretty weak as well. Unlike the others (except for #2 this one is a few years old.

2. Federal 230gr Hydro Shock
810 fps/ 830 fps
Another older and very mild to shoot load.

3. Buffalo Bore 230gr JHP (Montana Gold bullet) +P
—/940 fps.
One thing about Buffalo Bore is their bullets go as fast as they say. When I pulled the trigger on this load I had to really hang on to the gun. Big kick and big boom. Truth in advertising but pretty usless for point shooting or any one handed shooting. I did not bother with the G30 test.

4. Hornady TAP 230gr +P (XTP bullet)
847 fps/ 865 fps.
Heck of a nice load. Easy shooter for full power. Obviously +P means different things to different ammo makers. This is a great full power 45 acp load.

5. Hornady TAP 200gr +P (XTP bullet)
938 fps/ 965 fps
Also heck of a nice load. Plenty of speed but easy to shoot. Outstanding load.

6. Speer Gold Dot 230gr
802 fps/ 846
Good standard pressure performance and as gentle as can be. Made the G21 feel like it was shooting marshmallows. Easier to shoot than the Hornaday loads.

7. Speer Gold Dot 200gr +P
997 fps/ 1050 fps
Woof! I didn’t know Speer had it in them. This load is a rocket! Recoil and blast are really up there though. With enough practice I could learn to shoot it well but not without specific training (remember… point shooting, on the move and either hand). It’s an awesome powerful load but too much of a good thing at least for me.

8. Double Tap 230gr JHP (Gold Dot’s)
860 fps/ 890 fps
This is the load I carry when I’m toting a Glock 45. It’s a standard pressure load that moves the bullet very very fast. I reshot them last weekend in a direct comparison to the Hornady loads above. I could not tell a recoil difference. Easy, fast and accurate. The only downside is they are only occasionally available from Double Tap.

Let’s add some more from: http://www.stoppingpower.net/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=19298

Highlights:
5 shots ave with each rounds. Chronograph 12 feet 65 70 deg 2500 feet el.

Glock 21. Glock 30

Double tap 185 +P. 1119 fps. 999 fps
Rem 185+P. 1126 fps. 1096 fps
Rem golden saber 185+P 1094 fps. 1033 fps
Rem golden saber 230. 856 fps. 813 fps
Corbon 185 +P. 1127 fps. 1108 fps
Winchester 230 SXT +P. ??? 875 fps

Google-FU is strong on this topic (http://glocktalk.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-1305515.html):

corbon 185jhp +P 1127 fps 1108 fps
rem 185jhp +P 1143 fps 1096 fps
double tap 185jhp+p 1119 fps 1060 fps
rem golden saber 185+P 1092 fps 1033 fps
rem golden saber 230 856 fps 813 fps

Interesting that the Rem GS load is significantly higher than what FirearmsTactical and the person above got (both in the 1030ish range).

UK Defense Ministry Adopting Glock 17 for Army

From: http://abcnews.go.com/story?id=18185389

By CASSANDRA VINOGRAD Associated Press
LONDON January 11, 2013 (AP)

Britain’s army is bidding goodbye to the Browning pistol it’s used for more than 40 years, opting for faster and lighter Glock 17 pistols for its secondary sidearm.

The defense ministry said Friday it has signed an 8.5 million pound ($13.6 million) contract for more than 25,000 of the Austrian-made pistols.

It joins a host of law enforcement agencies and other militaries, including the Dutch, Norwegian and Austrian armies, opting for a Glock 17, which has a larger magazine than the Browning currently in use by the U.K. armed forces.

Britain’s defense ministry said the decision to abandon the Browning came after it became increasingly expensive to maintain the steel-framed pistol as its parts — from barrels and slides to trigger mechanisms and springs — wore out.

“When it came out in the 1960s, it was a fantastic pistol, but technology advances,” said Warrant Officer 1 Mark Anderson, who tested the sidearms competing for the U.K. contract after the defense ministry put out a tender for a replacement pistol two years ago.

The faster and more accurate Glocks are considered a boon for troops increasingly facing threats in close quarters, like in Afghanistan where soldiers are clearing compounds and also dealing with the risks of insider attacks.

Anderson said the Glock earned the confidence of the troops and passed tests of extreme temperatures and climates “with flying colors.”

In addition to their durability and extra firepower — the Glock magazine capacity is 17 rounds, compared with the Browning’s 13 — the new pistols are quicker on the draw.

While the Browning had a manual safety catch that needed to be switched off, with the Glock “you just draw it and engage,” Col. Peter Walden told reporters gathered at a London military barracks to see the new weapons.

That’s because the Glock has three internal safeties and can be kept loaded in a holster, unlike the Browning, Walden said. Saving those vital one or two seconds could be the difference between life and death, according to Walden.

“If you’re in a panic situation and it’s the last thing you’re going to do to save your life, you don’t want to have to start thinking about too many steps,” he explained. The faster system “does improve the ability of the guys to fire back” in potential insider attacks, he added.

The defense ministry said the Glocks should be deployed in Afghanistan by the latter part of 2013.

The Glocks are being issued as secondary weapons mostly for personal protection in case the primary firearm fails or soldiers are in close environments, like compound-clearing operations, where short-barreled weapons are considered a smarter choice.

Beyond Afghanistan, Walden expects the Glocks will be used more than Brownings were because the need for a fast-reaction capability — or even a pistol at all in addition to a standard rifle — has increased as warfare has changed over the years.

While soldiers in the Cold War were engaging enemy troops from 400 yards away, U.K. servicemen now are seeing threats in much closer quarters.

“Since Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re not in a position where we’re going to have to look at having a secondary weapon as an alternative,” Walden said. “If you’re in a close quarter area in a certain area and your rifle fails, you need to have some other way of defending yourself.”

The Glock’s polymer frame also lends itself to customizations that weren’t available with the Browning, like three different grip sizes. That’s of increasing importance given the variety of shapes and sizes of soldiers in the modern armed forces. Plus, flashlights and laser sights can be added to its rail.

Soldiers have already taken note.

“The easiest way to say it is we’ve been driving around in a Fiesta and now we’ve got a Ferrari,” Sgt. Steve Lord, a weapons inspector, shouted over the sound of bullets at the London media event. While the Browning “got the job done,” he explained, “now we’re going to work in style.”

Glock Armorers no longer (as of Sept) eligible for Blue Label purchase program!

I just confirmed with GSSF that Glock Armorers are no longer eligible for the purchase program. Previously, Armorers (that are not first responders) could buy (2) Blue Label Glock pistols. This decision was made in September and no notification was given. I only found out due a single sentence stating it in the new “Glock Report” which I received on Sat.

I emailed GSSF for clarification and received this:

“GLOCK, Inc. has discontinued the additional discount purchases for all Armorers. The went into effect at the end of September. This included all armorers. Unfortunately, we were given no advance notice regarding this change.

GSSF members are still eligible for one pistol purchase coupon per year. That program has remained unchanged.”

GSSF Glock Armorers (non-responders) no longer eligible for blue label pistols?

Just got the Volume II, 2012 “Glock Report” and it says:

GSSF members are no longer eligible to purchase additional firearms through their Armorer certifiction

WHAT??? I was just about to make a XMAS-present-to-myself purchase – a Gen4 30. If I am no longer eligible for blue label then, to be honest, I will need to re-evaluate other brands.

I have emailed GSSF for clarification. Googling brings up nothing either.

Gun Review: Glock 31 Gen 4 .357 Sig – Glock 357 Sauce Anyone?

I like his writing style. Although I am a disciple of sectional density, I also think that the 357 Sig is highly underrated. Hard to argue that a 125gr @ 1350fps doesn’t work! A Glock Gen4 is also very good platform for it. Now, if only it was the same price as 40… http://mygunculture.com/2012/09/14/gun-review-glock-31-gen-4-357-sig-glock-357-sauce-anyone/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:%20MyGunCulture%20(My%20Gun%20Culture)

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