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Answer: What happened to the AmeriGlo M&P taller suppressor sights?

It is all over the internet that AmeriGlo would have taller sights for suppressed M&Ps out this year (rumored release was this past January). Well, I couldn’t find them on their website, so I emailed them.

Turns out that they are still coming and anticipated for release in the Fall. Although delayed this is still good news. Lots of M&Ps out there, and lots of threaded barrel options, including a couple from S&W themselves.

The Story Behind the S&W (registered trademark) M&P (registered trademark) “SpecOps” threaded barrel 9mm

Here is an interesting tid-bit of information about the short run of S&W (registered trademark) M&P (registered trademark) “SpecOps” pistols most noted for its billboard size “SpecOps” marking and factory 13.5x1LH threaded barrel.

It comes from here: http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_20/315295_.html

from an insider from GemTech:

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Posted: 5/27/2010 9:15:28 PM
Originally Posted By MrGreg:
I’ve heard it has trouble indexing on some cans because the shoulder was made for Gemtech suppressors, though, so YMMV.

***Not usually one to jump in just to set things straight, but I hear yarn this sometimes… and it’s not entirely true. The original threaded 9mm barrels from Smith & Wesson were NOT spec’d *for* Gemtech suppressors, they were initially made for a European government order, which envisioned B&T of Switzerland’s suppressors. In the middle of things, we ended up doing the suppressors for it, but had to use the metric barrels that were already made. We later got S&W spun up and running with 1/2-28 barrels (which will be put on the commercial market one of these days). There’s nothing wrong with the 13.5s, but the U.S. market generally prefers the SAE threadings. The remaining metric threaded barrels went into the Sports South “Specops” model guns.

The S&W factory .45acp threaded barrels, btw, are just a bit longer than the aftermarket ones that were made without benefit of seeing the factory ones. I’d always advise you use the original manufacturer’s barrel over an aftermarket if you have the ability.

Kel

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Interesting! So, there is some European Agency (Swiss maybe?) running around with M&Ps and GemTechs!
I wonder what sights they are using?

My M&P SpecOps:

BladeTech Revolution Holster for M&P Compact! Amazing customer service

You may have seen my post Caution: Do NOT use S&W M&P compact in a Blade-Tech Revolution (FS) holster.

In a nutshell I found that putting my M&P compact into the  Revolution was not a good idea because magazine pops out (they actually only make it for the fullsize). The problem was, of course, only with the compact. Fullsize M&P in the Revolution was fine.

Blade-Tech saw my post and responded quickly that they would check it out, and send me a replacement that worked with both! I also asked that they cut the holster to the compact size. You will see pics why shortly.

When I told Blade-Tech that I could pick up the holster, since I was local, they invited me for a tour of their factory! OK, the holster thing first…

Click on the pic for fullsize.

 

Here is a close up of the holsters, I just thought it was interesting that my original had a S&W logo with little “Military Police” lettering while the new one has the opposite:

 

Holsters side by side to show difference in length (fullsize vs compact). Actually the new one is a little lower, the pic makes it look more dramatic than it is.

 

I think that little bit of material circled is the difference between the two. It was hard to get them both at the same angle to compare. Trust me there is a difference.

Top: Fullsize in the Revolution
Bottom: Compact in the new custom compact

 

If barrel length is important to you – this is how it should look

 

This is what the Compact pistol looks like in the Revolution holster which had the mag problem.

 

Here is what the fullsize looks like in the new compact holster. Looks worse in this pic than the next two.

 

From these next two pics you can see that it BARELY pokes out

 

Keep in mind my mag drop problem with the Revolution Holster  was caused by using a pistol in their holster which it was not actually designed for (compact in a fullsize  holster)! Blade-Tech provided a fix for my problem unsolicited and went above and beyond in customer service– making me a new holster that worked with the fullsize AND compact and, at my request, even cut  it for the shorter pistol for the compact pistol!

I really like the  new  holster. I hope they add it to the line up.

It’s past midnight, my factory tour story will have to wait until tomorrow. But, I will leave you with this….I saw a mold for a S&W 4566 and Steyr  pistols. In fact, I am pretty confident that  no one has more molds of pistols than they do, and they are not all on their website yet.

Caution: *updated* Using S&W M&P compact in Blade-Tech Revolution holster!

Do NOT use S&W M&P compact in Blade-Tech Revolution holster! — Seriously, the mag falls out in the holster if it is tapped on the side!!

Yes, I know it is for the fullsize, but putting a compact in a fullsize holster is not really that outrageous or even illegal. The holster is still an amazing value!

More below…

Most of the time I like having a full size and compact of the same pistol because I can interchange magazines and holsters.

This is not the case with the Blade-Tech Revolution which is for a full size (they do not make a Rev for compacts): http://www.blade-tech.com/Smith-Wesson-Holsters-for-M-P-Series-Pistol-Revolution-Series-Holster-pr-1034.html#product_images

I picked up one of these locally very inexpensively ($30 I think) because I needed a holster to go the range that day. Having both a paddle and belt attachment they are a bargain and pretty comfortable. However, for OWB concealment there are holsters which hold the pistol closer to your body. For CCW I use an IWB.

I decided that I wanted to run to the grocery store and switched out the fullsize for  the compact. To my surprise the mag wasn’t seated! Hmm…I locked it back in and put on my jacked and must have slapped the side because I heard the mag click out again!

After experimenting briefly it became very obvious that any type of push to the side or handle of my 9c caused the mag release to engage in the holster!

Put the FS back in and no problem. The FS stayed in the holster.

Below are the stock photos from the Blade-Tech website. These prominently display the “M&P” logo, while mine has a big “S&W” instead. Maybe this has been fixed in later versions, but I would try it first. I would still buy another one again.

 

 

Belgium Federal Police adopt S&W M&P (over FN!)

PRESS RELEASE

What is interesting is that appears to be a snub of FN who has tried to market the FNP, FNX (and forthcoming striker FNS) to law enforcement. I would be curious to see if the FNS was evaluated, or if perhaps did not meet the specific requirements. For those not familiar, FN is in Belgium and a world renown firearms maker holding many, many, many, U.S. Military contracts. You can see pics of my FNX, the FNS, and my HiPowers (even Browning marked HiPowers are made by FN) on this site if you use the search bar.

Regardless, congrats to S&W! 20,000 9mm’s!

 

Text follows:

Smith & Wesson(R) Secures M&P Pistol Contract From Belgium Federal Police

 SPRINGFIELD, Mass., Nov. 28, 2011 /PRNewswire/ — Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation (NASDAQ: SWHC), parent company of Smith & Wesson Corp., the legendary 159-year old company in the global business of safety, security, protection, and sport, announced today that it has recently received a contract from the Belgium Federal Police calling for 20,000 Smith & Wesson® Military & Police (M&P) 9mm polymer pistols over a ten-year period. The police agency, a force with 12,500 officers, has received an initial shipment of 2,500 pistols as part of the full department conversion to Smith & Wesson duty firearms.

After an open evaluation process that included numerous competitors, the Smith & Wesson M&P9 was selected for its performance and for the support services provided by the Company. A thorough test and evaluation process by the Belgium Federal Police indicated that the firearm’s reliability, interchangeable grips sizes and low perceived recoil were among the key drivers in the decision.  In addition to duty pistols, the Belgium Federal Police also placed orders for simunition and dedicated training firearms based on the M&P platform. The firearms offered by Smith & Wesson were supported with a full range of services, including armorer’s training. The Company also provided the agency with product manuals in multiple languages in order to ease the transition process.

The pistols ordered by the Belgium Federal Police were based upon the well established M&P platform, which has been adopted by hundreds of police agencies and has achieved popularity with consumers as well.  The M&P9 pistols were built to meet the exact specifications set forth by the police agency. Enhanced features included luminescent sights, a manual thumb safety with on/off red dot indicator, and a raised loaded chamber indicator on top of the slide that could be felt by hand. The M&P9 pistols retained the original design features and were supplied with two 17-round magazines along with cleaning materials.

Mario Pasantes, Smith & Wesson’s Senior Vice President of Marketing and Global Professional Sales, said, “We are pleased to support the long-term needs of the Belgium Federal Police with our M&P pistols, which have become a sidearm of choice for law enforcement agencies in both the United States and around the globe.  Our M&P line includes a full range of calibers and is designed to meet the exacting standards and tough test criteria used by professionals, such as the Belgium Federal Police.  At the same time, our M&P firearms have become popular with consumers who have come to appreciate the pistol’s professional-grade performance and features.”


SOURCE Smith & Wesson Holding Corporation

5.11 Vest and Maxpedition Holster is a no go

Forgot to post, I got my Maxpedition Universal Holster and it works great with my Versipak Fat Boy. However, it is a no go with the 5.11 Vest.

The Vest has a couple of narrow strips of velcro on each side. Weird. I searched my stuff for the kit that came with the 5.11 holster and double mag pouch. I found a very thin (flimsy) square panel of material. Ok, that work to attach to the strips in the Vest. I tried to attach my new holster to it, no go — the weight of any of my pistols causes the square to severely slouch. Not secure at all. In my “kit” I found another square of material that is very stiff, that attaches to the other square, but unfortunately is the wrong velcro side for my new holster to attach.

If I can find a square panel of velcro (don’t know what else to call it) that has each type on each side, it might work but seems like more fuss than it is worth.

The holster however does work great in the Versipak to secure small pistols. In fact, my Glock 27 and S&W M&P 9c fits great no resizing or moving required.

 

Thoughts on concealing an M&P fullsize

Just something that I posted on S&W forum in response to carrying a full size M&P:

I have a 9c and 9fs. I carry them in a Crossbreed Supertuck Deluxe. Obviously the 9c is easier to conceal. However, as of late since summer hasn’t been too hot (mid 80’s) I have been carrying FS to see how hard it is to hide.

So, my conclusion is that it can be done, however like others have said, it really does depend on your build, clothes (loose shirt is required), and the grip is the main problem to overcome.

For me, it works fine as long as I don’t have to bend over significantly or I am not sitting in chair with an open back like in a restaurant (I am worried about printing), otherwise concealment is fine.

The looseness of the shirt is a big change for me. I am used to OWB with a cover garment, but it is a little warm for that. I found that most of my t-shirts, while far from tight, are a little too snug for the full size grip. Now, the 9c? In the same holster it hides easily with everything but tight shirts and I don’t have to worry about bending over or sitting.

Glock 19/23/32 vs S&W M&P 9/40 Fullsize (FS) part II

This is a follow up to:
GLOCK 23 vs S&W M&P 9 FS

which was a pic comparison request of the midsize GLOCK (19/23/32/etc) VS S&W M&P 9/40 FS (fullsize).

I have long said that the  midsize GLOCK is one of the best ALL AROUND sized pistols. It is good for carry, target shooting, nightstand, etc. (notice I did not say it is the best in each category), but overall the best.

The M&P FS is designed primarily as duty pistol. It is longer and taller than the Glock 19/23.  You can look up the specs but the pics show the differences. It is noticeable. But how noticeable?

Let’s take a look at some common carry methods:

  1. Outside the waist band (OWB): Comfort is the same, concealability is close if you cant the M&P. The slide is longer so a longer, looser cover garment is required. This becomes much more important for IWB carry (see below). One thing related is that that if you carrying spare mags on the hip on your belt, the Glock polymer mag is more forgiving (it digs less noticeably into your side) than M&P which has a pretty big bottom lip.
  2. Shoulder holster: Equal
  3. Ankle: HA! Just kidding
  4. Inside the waistband: Read on…

I have been carrying my GLOCK 23 in a Comp-Tac CTAC holster. I decided to try my M&P 9FS in the most similar holster I have for it – Crossbreed SuperTuck Deluxe. The holsters themselves are different (hmm…another post idea) but accomplish the same thing.

The carry difference between the two (concealability, comfort) was almost identical despite the M&P’s longer slide and height. The BIG difference is in the shirt or cover garment. You cannot wear a tight shirt with the M&P. The 23 was more forgiving (duh…shorter grip).

Both these holsters are supposed to be tuckable, meaning that you can tuck your shirt into the holster for concealment not requiring a jacket. To me, you are making your pistol harder to access, but a pistol is better than no pistol.

I have tried it with both and find that the M&P works but you can’t hardly move. The Glock is slightly more doable but you can’t sit or bend over. I, personally, would not recommend either for tucked if you are going to moving. The compact M&P’s and subcompact Glocks are a perfect choice for that. Of course, one of each is your best choice.

As (if) things warm up out here in the Pacific Northwest I will be doing a 9c vs Glock 27 (SuperTuck vs CTAC) comparison too. I want to see how the Crossbreed does in HOT weather (so far only mid-80’s).

But, overall the Glock midsize vs the M&P FS is not that a big of a difference in size and carry comfort/concealment. Well, depending on how/what/when you want to do with it.

 

 

S&W M&P striker 6 month update — works great!

So, back in July of last year my M&P 9mm old-style (black) striker broke. S&W sent me a new style (silver) replacement that I dropped in. See: link .

I am pleased to say that after 6 months the replacement functions perfectly and the trigger is much improved like the newest versions that you buy off the shelf today.

Woohoo! Kudus to S&W for taking care of this and continuously improving their products! I also own a 9c and will be adding a 40S&W model shortly.

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